Pre-RFD: newgroup uk.blind.discussion-general

[Stephen Cole]

Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind people
using reader software.

This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user Brian Gaff
semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the readability of people’s
posts, particularly when threads have raged for days or weeks and there are
replies with loads of quoted content.

So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that replies
must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of quoted content
(ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps even enforce snipping
of everything and top-post (which is more or less how Brian replies).
Whatever works. The group would need to be moderated to ensure that the
rules on posting style are followed, of course.

Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted to d-i-y
to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using reader software.

[brian]

Post by Stephen Cole
Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind people
using reader software.
This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user Brian Gaff
semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the readability of people’s
posts, particularly when threads have raged for days or weeks and there are
replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that replies
must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of quoted content
(ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps even enforce snipping
of everything and top-post (which is more or less how Brian replies).
Whatever works. The group would need to be moderated to ensure that the
rules on posting style are followed, of course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted to d-i-y
to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using reader software.

There's a uk.people.deaf ,so I imagine it would be in the uk.people
hierarchy..

Read "Naming Guidelines For uk.*" Up ^ somewhere.

There hasn't been a post there since 2018. I don't a "uk.people.blind"
group would have many subscribers.

Brian

[Bernie]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:39:36 +0100

Post by brian

Post by Stephen Cole
Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind
people using reader software.
This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user
Brian Gaff semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the
readability of people’s posts, particularly when threads have raged
for days or weeks and there are replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that
replies must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of
quoted content (ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps
even enforce snipping of everything and top-post (which is more or
less how Brian replies). Whatever works. The group would need to be
moderated to ensure that the rules on posting style are followed, of
course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted
to d-i-y to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using
reader software.

There's a uk.people.deaf ,so I imagine it would be in the uk.people
hierarchy..
Read "Naming Guidelines For uk.*" Up ^ somewhere.
There hasn't been a post there since 2018. I don't a
"uk.people.blind" group would have many subscribers.
Brian

uk.people.dead has more life (really, it does).


How about an RFD for uk.people.argumentative.moderated and its sister
group uk.net.news.moderation.moderated (both groups with the same mods,
obv)?

[Stephen Cole]

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:39:36 +0100

Post by brian

Post by Stephen Cole
Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind
people using reader software.
This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user
Brian Gaff semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the
readability of people’s posts, particularly when threads have raged
for days or weeks and there are replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that
replies must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of
quoted content (ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps
even enforce snipping of everything and top-post (which is more or
less how Brian replies). Whatever works. The group would need to be
moderated to ensure that the rules on posting style are followed, of
course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted
to d-i-y to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using
reader software.

There's a uk.people.deaf ,so I imagine it would be in the uk.people
hierarchy..
Read "Naming Guidelines For uk.*" Up ^ somewhere.
There hasn't been a post there since 2018. I don't a
"uk.people.blind" group would have many subscribers.
Brian

uk.people.dead has more life (really, it does).
How about an RFD for uk.people.argumentative.moderated and its sister
group uk.net.news.moderation.moderated (both groups with the same mods,
obv)?

I nominate Gareth for Boss Mod of those groups.

Vote Gareth!

[Stephen Cole]

Post by brian

Post by Stephen Cole
Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind people
using reader software.
This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user Brian Gaff
semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the readability of people’s
posts, particularly when threads have raged for days or weeks and there are
replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that replies
must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of quoted content
(ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps even enforce snipping
of everything and top-post (which is more or less how Brian replies).
Whatever works. The group would need to be moderated to ensure that the
rules on posting style are followed, of course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted to d-i-y
to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using reader software.

There's a uk.people.deaf ,so I imagine it would be in the uk.people
hierarchy..

Y’see, I’m not sure that’s the right placement, as it’s not a group about
blind people, per se, but a group for everybody that’s designed to be easy
for blind people to read.

Post by brian
Read "Naming Guidelines For uk.*" Up ^ somewhere.
There hasn't been a post there since 2018. I don't a "uk.people.blind"
group would have many subscribers.

Maybe not, but Brian G’s an enthusiastic user of the hierarchy so if he
were to buy into the idea and start using it, it’s perfectly feasible that
people who already chat to him elsewhere will chat to him there.

[Dave W]

On 30 Sep 2019 13:40:38 GMT, Stephen Cole

Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind people
using reader software.
This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user Brian Gaff
semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the readability of people’s
posts, particularly when threads have raged for days or weeks and there are
replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that replies
must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of quoted content
(ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps even enforce snipping
of everything and top-post (which is more or less how Brian replies).
Whatever works. The group would need to be moderated to ensure that the
rules on posting style are followed, of course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted to d-i-y
to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using reader software.

This would be very welcome for sighted people as well!

[Stephen Cole]

Post by Dave W
On 30 Sep 2019 13:40:38 GMT, Stephen Cole

Hello. I’m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind people
using reader software.
This has come about as I’ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user Brian Gaff
semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the readability of people’s
posts, particularly when threads have raged for days or weeks and there are
replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I’m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that replies
must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of quoted content
(ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps even enforce snipping
of everything and top-post (which is more or less how Brian replies).
Whatever works. The group would need to be moderated to ensure that the
rules on posting style are followed, of course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted to d-i-y
to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using reader software.

This would be very welcome for sighted people as well!

Yeah, snipping discipline is pretty poor these days (I am guilty of
this...). A group where snipping is mandatory might well be considered
heaven by many!

[Anthony R. Gold]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Dave W
On 30 Sep 2019 13:40:38 GMT, Stephen Cole

Hello. I?m thinking of making a proposal for a new group specifically
designed to facilitate easy access and pleasurable use to blind people
using reader software.
This has come about as I?ve seen the well-known blind uk.* user Brian Gaff
semi-regularly offer mild complaints as to the readability of people?s
posts, particularly when threads have raged for days or weeks and there are
replies with loads of quoted content.
So, what I?m thinking is make a new group where the rule is that replies
must be very heavily snipped, with no more than one level of quoted content
(ie; the message that is being replied to). Perhaps even enforce snipping
of everything and top-post (which is more or less how Brian replies).
Whatever works. The group would need to be moderated to ensure that the
rules on posting style are followed, of course.
Interested to hear thoughts, particularly from Brian (cross-posted to d-i-y
to grab his attention. FUs set) or anybody else using reader software.

This would be very welcome for sighted people as well!

Yeah, snipping discipline is pretty poor these days (I am guilty of
this...). A group where snipping is mandatory might well be considered
heaven by many!

A minyan is one such example.